Bonn ja Mexico lähestyvät

Ilmastonmuutoksen ehkäisemiseksi ja/tai hillitsemiseksi esitettyjä poliittisia toimenpiteitä ja poliittista keskustelua kutsutaan ilmastopolitiikaksi.

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Re: Bonn ja Mexico lähestyvät

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BorisW kirjoitti:Aiheesta kirjoittaa Einar du Rietz: http://www.forbes.com/feeds/prnewswire/2010/06/08/prnewswire201006081407PR_NEWS_USPR_____DC17528.html

Kannattaa lukea ja ihmetellä; "missä mennään".


Ja näin siinä kävi

"Bonnin ilmastoneuvottelut päättyivät arvosteluryöppyyn
11.6.2010 23:47
STT–Reuters–AFP

Bonn. Bonnissa käydyt ilmastoneuvottelut päättyivät perjantaina kritiikkiin. Sekä rikkaat että köyhät maat arvostelivat kaksi viikkoa kestäneiden keskustelujen päätteeksi syntynyttä tekstihahmotelmaa."

[url]http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/artikkeli/Bonnin+ilmastoneuvottelut+päättyivät+arvosteluryöppyyn/1135257500569[/url]
http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/artikkeli/Bon ... vottelut+päättyivät+arvosteluryöppyyn/1135257500569

Mutta ei tämä oikein hyvältä näytä

"Teksti asettaa tavoitteeksi, että kasvihuonekaasujen määrä vähenee ainakin 50–85 prosenttia vuoteen 2050 mennessä vuoden 1990 tasosta. Kehittyneiden maiden tavoite on vähintään 80–95 prosenttia.

Osanottajat pitivät kuitenkin Bonnin neuvottelujen ilmapiiriä rakentavampana kuin Kööpenhaminan. YK:n ilmastosopimuksen pääsihteerin Yvo de Boerin mukaan Bonnissa mentiin eteenpäin etenkin rahoituksen ja vihreän teknologian kysymyksissä".
HMV
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EU:n ilmastokomissaari, tanskalainen Connie Hedegaard yrittää epätoivoisesti hyödyntää Euroopan kesähelteitä vastatuulessa olleen unionin alarmistisen ilmastopolitiikan markkinoinnissa:

"What we are experiencing right now, with extreme temperatures and violent precipitation, is exactly what had been forecast for the European area ... Scientists tell us,'This is only the beginning: we haven't seen anything yet,'" EU Climate Action Commissioner Connie Hedegaard said.

Climate change dropped down the EU agenda this year as politicians dealt with Greece's financial crash and the public reacted to the disappointing outcome of climate talks in Copenhagen in December.

This summer could change that trend, as weather extremes spark a new interest in the climate.

"I would normally have said that one summer does not make a whole climate policy, but I must also admit that when we had a cold winter last winter, many people looked out of the window and said, 'Oh, it's cold outside, maybe there is no global warming," Hedegaard said.

While a single summer cannot be used as evidence for such a long-term phenomenon as climate change, "it may mean something to people, because it's difficult for citizens to relate to climate periods of 30-50 years," she said.

Any interest will take on political weight this autumn as the EU launches three key debates on climate policy.

First is the question of greenhouse gases. The bloc is committed to cutting its emissions to 20 per cent below 1990 levels by 2020, or 30 per cent if other developed states make "comparable" cuts.

EU states decided after Copenhagen that other world powers were not doing enough to trigger the 30-per-cent cut. But the environment ministers of Britain, France and Germany last week called on the EU to consider making the move to keep its economic initiative.

States such as Poland and Italy argue that that would cost too much.

But Hedegaard urged members to consider the cost of inaction, saying, "Maybe it's not only that you risk losing jobs because you are ambitious: maybe you also risk losing jobs if you stand still."

Simultaneously, EU member states will grapple with the question of how to push for action at United Nations climate talks in Cancun, Mexico in November.

There, too, Hedegaard looks likely to walk into a fight as she pushes member states to leave negotiators room to manoeuvre.

Usually, EU states insist on drawing up every detail of their negotiating positions in advance, to make sure that negotiators do not approve deals which voters would subsequently reject.

But that means that, by the time the talks start, "our red lines have already been published", Hedegaard said, adding that she wants to "build in a bit more flexibility" for Cancun.

That is explosive, as it implies allowing negotiators to take decisions which have not been pre-approved in detail by EU states.

But the greatest controversy is likely to surface next year, as the EU begins to draw up its trillion-dollar budget for the period from 2014 to 2020.

EU budget negotiations are complex even when the basic rules have already been agreed. But Hedegaard said the bloc should consider bringing in new rules to reward countries with climate-friendly policies - a call likely to trigger still more political heat.

The budget talks "might be one area where we could invent systems that, more than using sticks, actually use carrots and reward those using new things, new technologies, being the front-runners ... This is a sensitive and difficult debate, but that's the kind of debate that we need to have," she said.

August is traditionally the EU's summer break. But in September, the debate will start again as the countdown to Cancun begins.

Expect a hot autumn.


http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/news ... er-eu.html

PS
Euro-kriisi ei ole vielä läheskään ohi, joten todennäköisesti - onneksi - Hedegaard joutuu pettymään kun keskeiset EU-maat keskittyvät ilmastoalarmismia oleellisempiin asioihin.
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Ilmastorealistin kannalta Bonnin kokouksen anti näyttää lupaavalta:

Pessimism Clouds Climate Meeting

There is little optimism this time around. Even the few areas of agreement that were hailed as great accomplishments in the Copenhagen Accord seem to be back on the negotiating table.

The negotiating document for the Bonn session, which ends on Friday, leaves open – once again — whether the goal of a new treaty should be to limit the temperature rise to 1 degree, 1.5 degrees or 2 degrees Celsius.


http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/ ... te-powwow/

PS
Varmasti sadoilta "virallisilta" lämpötilojen säätelijöiltä vaaditan vielä tuhansia kokoustunteja eri puolilla maailmaa ennen kuin löydetään "tieteelliseen konsensukseen" perustuva lämpövaihtoehto lastenlapsillemme. Mutta kyllähän me kaikki luotamme suuriin "ilmastoasiantuntijoihin"!
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Taloustieteilijä Nicholas Stern on jälleen vauhdissa. Sternin viesti Bonniin kokoontuneille ilmastouskovaisille on, että nyt on tarjolla "jännittävä" mahdollisuus korottaa kaikenlaisia veroja uuden uljaan ilmastopolitiikan nimissä. Onneksi Sternin ja kumppanien touhusta ei taida tulla yhtään mitään.

UN panel: New taxes needed for a climate fund
By ARTHUR MAX (AP) – 12 hours ago

BONN, Germany — Carbon taxes, add-ons to international air fares and a levy on cross-border money movements are among ways being considered by a panel of the world's leading economists to raise a staggering $100 billion a year to fight climate change.

British economist Nicholas Stern told international climate negotiators Thursday that government regulation and public money also will be needed to create incentives for private investment in industries that emit fewer greenhouse gases.

In short, a new industrial revolution is needed to move the world away from fossil fuels to low carbon growth, he said.


"It will be extremely exciting, dynamic and productive," said Stern, one of 18 experts in public finance on an advisory panel appointed by U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... AD9HDEAGG0
HMV
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Näillä näkymin Cancunin kokouksesta ei - onneksi - ole odotettavissa mitään merkittävää "edistystä":

The trouble is that if the rich are not prepared to negotiate, nothing will happen. The greater the divide between countries, the more likely the whole process will break down in Mexico. Then we could have a repeat of Copenhagen, with Mexico instead of Denmark trying to broker an unacceptable last minute deal.

That is the nightmare scenario. More likely is that the level of ambition for Cancún will be reduced further with no more than a package of agreements negotiated and all the tough stuff put back until next year. Or 2013. Or 2014.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... cun-mexico
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Kanadalaisen Financial Postin kolumnisti Terence Corcoran on julkaissut yhteenvedon ilmastoneuvottejen ajatumisesta umpikujaan:

And now for the climate weather: It may be hot outside, but the political environment for climate science is in a deep freeze. In Washington, plans for a national carbon-trading system are colder than the ice in the mint juleps at the Round Robin Bar. The economy comes first in the U.S. Senate, where a new climate bill ran into a brick wall, putting an end to environmentalists’ hopes for a national cap-and-trade system any time in the next few years. “We fell victim to much broader politics that were beyond our control,” said a leading green activist.

In Bonn last weekend, climate politics got so cold that negotiators working on a new global climate treaty to replace the soon-to-expire Kyoto Protocol walked away from the talks, saying that the policy direction was going backward rather than forward. As part of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Control, the Bonn talks were aiming at recovering from last year’s Cop-out in Copenhagen. “These negotiations have if anything gone backwards,” said Connie Hedegaard, the EU’s climate action commissioner. The world is still divided over — among other issues — carbon-emission reduction targets, without which any convention would be useless. Another attempt to regroup will take place in China in October in preparation for a grand Meeting of the Parties in Cancun, Mexico, in December.


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Climate policy forecast for British Columbia: Same as for the rest of the world — cool now, and expected to get real cold as time goes on.

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Hyvältä siis näyttää

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2010/0 ... ng-colder/
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Jopa "pääalarmisti", Suomen Valkoisen Ruusun ritarikunnan komentaja, entinen rautatieinsinööri Rajendra Pachauri uskoo, ettei Cancunissa saada aikaan sopimusta. Hänen mielestään nyt pitäisi keskittyä varallisuuden siirtoon teollisuusmailta alikehittyneille maille (esimerkiksi Afrikan monille korruptoituneille hallituksille ja yksinvaltiaille) :

Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the Nobel-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) told Indian news agency the Press Trust of India that a deal in Cancun "is not possible, particularly considering the situation in some countries."

He urged Mexico to be realistic and concentrate on pushing rich nations to provide funds to developing countries to help them adapt to climate change and reduce their emissions.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... T19goAXOTg
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YK:n "ilmastopolitrukki" Christiana Figueres yrittää lietsoa optimismia ennen Cancunin kokousta. Figueresin optimismi näyttää perustuvan siihen, että Kiina hänen mukaansa on jopa ylittämässä ilmoittamansa ilmastotavoitteet. Figueresin optimismiin on syytä suhtautua erittäin varauksellisesti, sillä Kiina ei ole ilmoittanut sanoutuvans irti päätöksestään, ettei se aio situoutua mihinkään sitoviin päästövähennyksiin. Kiinalaiset osaavat kuitenkin poliittisen pelin, ja heidän intressissäänhän on antaa sellainen kuva, että he ovat mukana tässä lähinnä EU:n (ja YK:n) järjettömässä projektissa. Jos epämääräisillä "lupauksilla" saadaan esim. EU:lta ( siis EU:n veronmaksajilta) kiristettyä miljardien eurojen tulonsiirrot, niin sehän sopii kiinalaisille. EU maksaa ja aiheuttaa itselleen entistä suurempia talousongelmia, mikä puolestaan antaa kiinalaisille entistä suuremmat kansainväliset vaikutusmahdollisuudet. USA:n kongressin edustajainhuoneen tuoreet AGW-skeptiset voimat onneksi kuitenkin panevat sulun koko projektille.

Nov. 15 (Bloomberg) -- China has stepped up its efforts to rein in global warming by implementing rules that will cap emissions of greenhouse gasses from its domestic industry, the chief climate negotiator for the United Nations said.

“They have actually not just performed to the level of their target, but they have outperformed,” Christiana Figueres, the UN diplomat leading climate negotiations, said in a webcast press conference from Bonn.

Figueres said she is “optimistic” that the annual climate talks beginning Nov. 29 in the Mexican resort city of Cancun can reach an agreement. Her comments were aimed at boosting momentum for the discussions involving more than 190 nations after last year’s effort in Copenhagen stalled.

U.S. diplomats have said China is backtracking on plans sketched out last year in Copenhagen to slow global warming. China, the world’s biggest polluter, has said it’s not ready to make a legally binding commitment to reduce fossil fuel emissions blamed for damaging the atmosphere.


http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-1 ... -says.html
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Cancunin kokous on alkanut lupaavasti:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q83CQ_7C ... _embedded#!
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HMV kirjoitti:Cancunin kokous on alkanut lupaavasti:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q83CQ_7C ... _embedded#!


Juu...

The brief statement, made by Jun Arima, an official in the government’s economics trade and industry department, in an open session, was the strongest yet made against the protocol by one of the largest emitters of greenhouse gases.

He said: “Japan will not inscribe its target under the Kyoto protocol on any conditions or under any circumstances.”


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/02/b ... at-cancun/
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